Warner Board of Selectmen Meeting Minutes October 30, 2007 Meeting opened at In Attendance:
Selectman David E. Hartman – Chairman Selectman
Richard A. Cook Selectman
Wayne Eigabroadt Absent:
No Members Absent Recorder of the minutes is Mary Whalen Others Present: Laura Buono – Town Administrator
Rebecca Courser
Jim McLaughlin
Chris Closs
Pam McDonald Rosemary Heard – CATCH Neighborhood Housing, Mike Reed – CATCH Neighborhood Housing, Mike & Julie Russo – Dust from Warner Aggregate David Herrick – Warner Aggregate Tobi Nickerson – Property owner of drive that leads to Warner
Aggregate Mike Ritter – Manager, Warner Aggregate Ed Mical Judith Rogers 1. Mr. Closs began by saying that he
presented a report to the OFBC explaining up to date efforts on the
development plan for the Mr. Closs formerly introduced Rosemary
Heard, President of CATCH Neighborhood Housing, as well as Mike Reed,
CATCH Development Director. Ms.
Heard explained that she has been in the Real Estate business for over
20 years and is familiar with residential as well as historic
developments. CATCH is an
organization that was founded in the early 1980’s in response to a
housing crisis. Since CATCH
was founded nothing has changed, there is still a housing crisis.
For the average person (moderate income of $56K) can’t afford
to buy a house. CATCH
creates affordable quality housing opportunities; a lot of what CATCH
does contributes to downtown revitalization.
Currently CATCH owns 187 housing units in the Selectman Eigabroadt spoke in favor of the
facility CATCH developed in 2. MIKE RUSSO – DUST FROM WARNER AGGREGATE Mr. Russo began by saying he is before the
Select board again about the sand-pit, a plan was suppose to be in
effect and it never happened. Mr.
Russo said that Mr. Herrick was using a dust stop product the he had
asked Mr. Herrick to use; Mr. Herrick has stopped using the product.
Mr. Russo was informed by Mr. Herrick he stopped using the
product because he couldn’t get it from the company.
Mr. Russo said he has a letter from the company president saying
that is not true. Mr. Russo
submitted pictures to the Selectmen.
Mr. Russo said there is a new problem that
Mr. Herrick created; Mr. Russo is under the impression the drive to the
gravel pit must be closed tomorrow morning because of the severe danger
Mr. Herrick has put everyone in, by loading loose stone all over the
drive. Mr. Russo said
instead of dodging dirt his daughter has to now dodge from flying rocks.
Mr. Russo showed pictures of the stones in the road, he says the
vehicles kick the stones up which could hit his vehicles and family.
Chairman Hartman asked Mr. Russo how his daughter is getting hit
by the stones. Mr. Russo
said the vehicles pick up stones and they are projectiles going through
the air, the stones are not packed.
Mr. Russo presented pictures of the
vehicles on his property from 2 weeks ago with dust on them; the dust is
also on the front of his home. Selectman
Cook asked Mr. Russo when the dust became a problem again.
Mr. Russo said a few months ago, Warner Aggregate kept saying
they were going to this and that; they stopped the dust stop and started
applying calcium chloride. Selectman
Cook asked Mr. Russo to clarify “a few months ago”, Mr. Russo said
June, July. Mr. Russo said
he has been trying to work things out with Mr. Herrick and it’s
impossible. Mr. Russo said
that he can’t live at his own house and go outside to grill a steak,
it’s always filthy. Mr.
Russo feels very strongly that the stones will break his windshields and
put his daughter’s life at risk. Mr.
Russo stated for the record that he feels the road needs to be closed
immediately; tomorrow he is calling the DMV and the State Police if the
road is not closed. Mr.
Russo feels that he should not be forced to live like this, he runs a
legal business, and Mr. Russo said Warner Aggregate is not grandfathered.
Mr. Russo introduced a woman who lived in his house before him,
he said he is sure she is willing to tell the Selectmen that in 1979
there was no sand-pit and Mr. Russo said he has other people who are
willing to come forward. Rose
Daniels stated her name and said for 20 years she owned the house that
Mr. Russo now lives in and was never aware of a sand-pit, there were
never trucks going in and out, no dust, nothing like what Mr. Russo has
described. Chairman Hartman said the primary issue
the Board focused on was the health issue; it was discussed to come up
with a solution to keep the dust down.
Chairman Hartman as an observer has been to the site and followed
one of the trucks on the road discussed and saw no dust; there may well
be dust generated but Chairman Hartman does not know for sure that the
dust is actually coming from the drive to the pit. Selectman Eigabroadt feels the stones on
the drive would cure the dust problem; however, there is a question
about breakage. Chairman
Hartman said that if the dust was not going to be kept under control by
an applied dust retardant it was suggested to use stone.
Mr. Russo said that he has argued that point; he did not want
stone because of the danger. The Select board does not recall Mr. Russo
saying anything about the stones being a danger.
Selectman Eigabroadt recommended moving
forward. Mr. Herrick has
taken a positive step to eradicate the dust problem.
Maybe the last section of the road needs to be done with a type
of pack. Mr. Russo said that he has sales records
on how his business has suffered, property value has gone down, and it
is a health issue, if you look at the letter from the president of the
dust stop company it states in the letter that it’s a health issue.
Mr. Russo does not feel it’s going to control the dust, it’s
not going to control the dust from coming behind his house, and dust
follows the trucks all the way up the road.
Mr. Russo feels the only solution is to pave the entire drive or
move the road. Mr. Russo
stressed again the dangers of the stone.
Mr. Russo also said the only reason Warner Aggregate is running
is because of the grandfather clause, he just brought a witness forth
and can bring more forward. Chairman Hartman asked Mr. Russo for the
record when he started his business (selling used vehicles).
Mr. Russo said 1997. There
was some loose conversation about the stone on the driveway.
Mr. Russo said to the Board that “this” is not a driveway, if
it was a driveway with vehicles and cars coming in and out he would have
no problem. Selectman
Eigabroadt said if it wasn’t a driveway the State would shut them
down. Mr. Russo said it’s
not a personal driveway, this is commercial. Selectman Cook reminded Mr.
Russo that it is a commercial zone; there is no ordinance that says one
cannot have a stone driveway. Mr.
Russo said it does say you can’t create a health issue and a nuisance
and there is rocks ending up on his property already, there is one by
his mailbox and in the road. Mr.
Russo said he can’t open his business in the fall, he is afraid that
he may be liable if someone gets hit by a stone while looking at a car.
Mr. Russo said that he parks the vehicles close to the house
trying to keep the dirt off; it goes into his house and gets tracked
into his home. Mrs. Russo
commented on the amount of rocks that have since accumulated after the
pictures Mr. Russo took. Mr. Nickerson, owner of the property
between Mr. Russo and Warner Aggregate said there is another possible
solution and has spoken with three interested parties about purchasing
the property west of the Davisville Cemetery which could be used as an
alternative access. Mr. Nickerson and Mr. Russo are in favor of the
purchase; what’s left is an agreement. As
far as the drive itself, paving it would be too costly.
Mr. Nickerson spoke about the alternative property and how the
town would be involved in regards to the Planning Board; there are
wetlands and a brook that would need to be crossed. Selectman Eigabroadt said when the dust
issue was first discussed the Selectmen said they needed to see a plan
in writing with indicated dates, which was done and is on file.
Certain things were to be done by certain dates and if it is
proven to be futile to the issue then it would move on to plan b, up to
this morning Selectman Eigabroadt is not sure if the dust stop was
applied once or never purchased.
Selectman Eigabroadt said as a Board, he as the Health Officer
and the Board of Selectmen as the local Health Board, if the conditions
are not being met in the original signed document the Board is obligated
to act. Mr. Russo feels
strongly that something needs to be done immediately.
As far as what is done to the road and who pays for it, Selectman
Eigabroadt said to Mr. Nickerson that he is sure that his attorney told
him that ultimately he is the responsible party, being the landowner.
Selectman Eigabroadt said as Health Officer he sees this as a
stalemate. Mr. Herrick said the first part of the
summer Mr. & Mrs. Russo had given him the website for the dust stop
which is out of Selectman Eigabroadt said the other issue
is the trucks coming down the drive, they create a vacuum of dust, and
can the vacuum be controlled somehow.
Mr. Herrick asked if he would be allowed to apply liquefied
calcium chloride. Mr. Russo
said it would rust his cars and it’s a proven fact it would
deteriorate the foundation to his house causing his house to loose
value. Selectman Eigabroadt said as a Health
Officer he has done some further research on calcium chloride and all
the information states that the material is an irritant for respiratory
issues and advises Mr. Herrick not to add to the health issue. Selectman
Eigabroadt, as Health Officer will be asking Mr. Herrick officially in
writing to mitigate the dust. Mr.
Herrick asked if the Director of Public Works will be told to stop using
calcium chloride. Selectman
Eigabroadt said no, the calcium chloride is used on sections of roads by
request. This is a
respiratory problem affected by the calcium chloride, different issue. Selectman Cook said the Board has a letter
saying the dust stop is used by all kinds of company’s for the same
problem at hand. The Board
is hearing one thing from the president of the company for dust stop and
a totally different story from Mr. Herrick.
The letter states that the product is established in 94 countries
world wide, though they have not made a concentrated effort to market
the product in the Mr. Ritter, Manager of Warner Aggregate
contacted in the spring of 2007 the company in Selectman Eigabroadt said as long as this
situation was moving forward he was willing to continue in helping
facilitate a resolution. But
Mr. Russo has decided not to pursue that route and as the Health
Officer, Selectman Eigabroadt will have to do something. Mrs. Russo asked a question that was not
audible. Selectman Cook
answered that he doesn’t think so, the issue of the grandfather is not
the Board of Selectmen’s issue, and it would have to be resolved at
the Planning Board level. Chairman
Hartman asked Selectman Eigabroadt as a Health Officer will he be
proceeding with some specific step.
Selectman Eigabroadt said within a couple of days he will come
down and speak with Mr. Nickerson. Selectman
Cook said that Mr. Nickerson spoke about the possibility of purchasing
property. Mr. Herrick said
he has been pursuing the possibility during the summer; there has been a
communication problem with the owner.
Mr. Herrick said he will continue to be proactive in regards to
the dust, but where does it stop. Chairman Hartman feels since the agreement
last winter, the agreement has run its course by applying various
methods of dust control as well as applying the stones.
Therefore, Chairman Hartman presumes the Health Officer will need
to exert some other kind of influence to rectify the health situation
with Mr. Russo’s daughter. In
order to prevent Mr. Russo’s daughter from getting hit with a stone,
Chairman Hartman recommends that Mr. Herrick or Mr. Nickerson needs to
sweep the stones back into the driveway immediately.
Chairman Hartman said that Mr. Russo is posing a situation which
to him should be in the court system.
Selectman Eigabroadt asked Mr. Herrick how
much the product he has in his possession costs.
Mr. Herrick said $200.00 for 4 gallons; it’s supposed to last
for 3 months; it dries out and you have to reapply water; 3 gallons
treat 300-500 square feet. Selectman
Eigabroadt asked how much the stone cost.
Mr. Herrick said he did not supply the stone from his material;
he purchased the ¾ stone and would also like to add some pack to it.
Selectman Eigabroadt is wondering why Mr. Herrick would bear the
expense of all the stone as sufficient to stop the dust.
Mr. Herrick said he is trying to prevent the silt from traveling
out into the road. Mr.
Herrick said he has tried very hard to keep the dust down.
Selectman Eigabroadt noted that Mr. Herrick did install speed
bumps as well as a 10 mph sign. Selectman
Eigabroadt still feels the dust is an issue.
Mr. Herrick asked Selectman Eigabroadt if he has time to spend
with Mr. Herrick on the road to watch it periodically.
Selectman Eigabroadt said he has been and is willing to step it
up. Mr. Herrick is also
grinding paving material that he purchased for the road that can be used
if the dust stop and the stone doesn’t work.
Mr. Russo said that Mr. Herrick has
already applied calcium chloride; there is a health and nuisance
question and feels the only solution is to pave the road or move the
road, those are the two solutions he finds acceptable. Chairman Hartman stated for the record, he
does not want the Selectmen to be put in the position of having said to
Mr. Russo that the Selectmen gave Mr. Russo incorrect direction.
The Selectmen gave a direction last spring and it was agreed how
the solution would be, the solution would be as discussed and the
solution would include at the end if other things weren’t working
putting stone down. Chairman
Hartman does not want to see the Selectmen being accused of not trying
to take care of a problem, and does not want Mr. Russo just saying that
he is fed up with it at this point.
Now the question is where the Board of Selectmen needs to take it
to the next step. As far as
Mr. Russo is concerned it’s not the Selectmen that need to take the
next step. Mr. Russo feels
he has exhausted all efforts and cannot wait any longer, and feels this
has gone on way to long. Selectman
Cook asked Mr. Russo if he realizes that at least he did not know there
was a continuing problem until Mr. Russo showed up at the last
Selectmen’s meeting. Mr.
Russo said he is not coming down on the Selectmen; he has tried
everything; this is at a brick wall; Mr. Russo is asking for the
Selectmen’s help. Selectman Cook spoke about Mr. Herrick
applying pack onto the stone tomorrow, should the Selectmen encourage
him or is it going to be more problematic.
Mr. Russo feels it would be problematic.
Selectman Eigabroadt’s opinion is in the very short term the
pack will exasperate the problem, but once the stone is compacted and
wet down he thinks it will help the dust issue but not the rock problem.
Mr. Russo says there are people that leave the drive spinning
rubber all the time as well as the trucks not stopping.
Mr. Russo said when he tried to have an auction he was told he
needed to have a police officer at the same corner to make sure no one
was spinning out. Mr.
Nickerson feels adding the pack to the stone could be a mistake. Chairman Hartman turned the conversation
to the Board; he is not clear on the direction. Selectman
Cook said that’s why he asked his previous question because he does
not want to encourage Mr. Herrick to spend money that’s going to
exasperate the problem. Mr. Nickerson thinks there is a lot to
what Mr. Russo says; the road needs to be asphalt or moved.
Mr. Nickerson said that he has spent over $3K on legal counsel
and has learned through a similar situation but on a larger scale it was
the person who owned the property that was told to fix the road and when
the same case went to Supreme Court, the ruling was it is the person who
is actually using the property. Mr.
Nickerson feels he is getting into a spot where he may have to defend
himself or move out. Mr.
Nickerson owns the property; Mr. Herrick owns a 50’ right of way.
Selectman Eigabroadt said again, a solution for this situation is
needed, but at some point somebody has to do something to make this
happen. The Town’s issue
is the dust, it’s a nuisance and that is what needs to be mitigated;
how it’s done is up to Mr. Nickerson and Mr. Herrick.
Mr. Herrick suggests if Mr. Russo does not
like the stone in the road he will remove it in the morning, lay the
gravel back in, compact it and apply the dust stop.
Mr. Herrick was not trying to be malicious; he was trying to
prevent the silt from going out into the road.
Mr. Herrick says the dust stop works well when it isn’t cooked
by the sun and up to the point when it rains and it tracks out into the
road. Selectman Eigabroadt
respectfully disagrees with the characterization of the stones.
Chairman Hartman asked Mr. Russo if he would like the stones
removed. Mrs. Russo said as
the stones are now they are loose and asked if there is a way to pack
them down. Selectman
Eigabroadt asked the Russo’s to give him until next Monday to try to
come up with something before anybody does anything.
Mrs. Russo said there are two issues; the dust from the driveway
and the dust from the silt on Route 103.
All agreed to wait until Mr. Russo said that he wants to make sure
that it is on record that Mr. Herrick has offered to take the stone out,
Mr. Russo would like that to happen.
Again, Selectman Eigabroadt asked to give him until Monday and if
Mr. Herrick could keep the stone off the pavement until Monday.
Someone said they will make sure it is swept everyday.
3. ED MICAL – EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT Mr. Mical has spoken to the Selectmen in
the past about Pine Rock Manor taking their residents to a place in the
event of an emergency, an off-site evacuation.
The Town Hall has been recommended; Pine Rock would like to
formalize and agreement with the Town of Mr. Mical explained the two Hazard
Mitigation letters of intent, one for a stone culvert on Joppa Road and
the other is for a stone culvert on Horne Street (2007 flood) are due
October 31, 2007 and will be submitted.
The Selectmen granted Ms. Buono the power of signature.
The status on the three existing Hazard Mitigation Grants is as
follows: the Mr. Mical is applying for a 50/50 match
grant that will be used to update the Hazard Mitigation Plan; the grant
must be used by September 2008. The
Town is required to update the Hazard Mitigation Plan every 5 years
which is next year. Selectman
Eigabroadt asked about the money in the budget for the HMP, the budgeted
money will be used to offset the cost. Selectman Cook asked what the mitigation
grant for Mason Hill is, is it to work on the lower section by 4. MANIFEST Selectman Cook made a motion
to authorize the Selectmen to sign the manifest ordering the Treasurer
to sign check numbers 40160 – 40161 totaling $5,311.77, payroll checks
numbers 40162 – 40207 dated 10/23/2007 totaling $40,868.45 and
accounts payable check numbers 40208 – 40252 dated 10/30/2007 totaling
$49,502.79. Selectman
Eigabroadt seconded the motion. All
were in favor. The motion
passed. 5. TOWN ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT Old Safety Program – The Joint Loss Management Committee is
meeting on Thursday to finalize the Safety Program which the Board has
been supplied copies of previously.
Ms. Buono asked the Select board if they have any comments and/or
suggestions. Ms. Buono is trying to schedule a day of training in
November in which town departments will be closed for the day so that
all employees can receive training on the Safety Program.
There will also be training from LGC in the afternoon on subjects
to be determined. Ms. Buono
would like to get into the habit of having training on an annual basis.
Chairman Hartman asked if the Town has a semblance of a current
program and what does it look like.
Ms. Buono explained the Town has a Safety Program but it is
lacking considerably. When
the Department of Labor conducted their visit a number of areas were
pointed out. Chairman
Hartman asked Mr. Mical if the section he worked in the Safety Program
is verbatim from the Department of Labors Rules. Mr. Mical said the
listed numbers are in reference of the Department of Labors Rules.
Chairman Hartman recommended noting any sections that are out of
the Department of Labors Rules. 2008 Budget – The 2008 Budget Presentation to the Budget
Committee on October 22nd went very well.
There was a lengthy discussion on wages; the members now have the
budget for their review until the next meeting which is scheduled for
December 3rd for the purpose of going over the capital budget
and reviewing the anticipated tax rate.
They have also scheduled a budget work session on December 17th.
The Board still has to meet to discuss finalizing the capital
budget so that it can be presented to the Budget Committee. Town Report – Mary Whalen had distributed a draft copy of a
cover photo for the Board’s review and approval.
The photo is of the Pillsbury Free Library in honor of being
chosen the 2006 Library of the Year.
The Selectmen recommended taking the street sign out of the
picture. The Selectmen will
also need to decide on a dedication page. Certified Public Management Program – While preparing the
2007 budget, Ms. Buono included money to attend the Certified Public
Management Program which is offered through the NH Division of
Personnel, Bureau of Education and Training.
Although Ms. Buono wasn’t able to sign up for the 2007/2008
courses, she would like to attend the 2008/2009 session if the Board is
still in agreement. Ms.
Buono has submitted the courses that she took through LGC Leadership
Institute so some of those may be able to replace some of the courses
that are in the certification program. The
Selectmen agreed. Lower Level Meeting Room – For the past few years it has
been discussed to replace the existing carpet in the lower level meeting
room with tile. Ed Mical has
received quotes to both tile the meeting room as well as carpet the
room. The price difference is substantial ($23,200 for tile versus
$5,710 for carpet) and with the location and acoustics in the room,
carpet may be a better option. Ms.
Buono has received input from the Men’s Club; they would prefer
carpeting because of the bad acoustics.
The Selectmen agreed carpeting would be the better choice.
Chairman Hartman recommends sealing the drain before the new rug is
installed; activity of the drain needs to be determined first.
Funding may be possible for this year if not, the project will be
budgeted for 2008. Also
scheduled is replacement tile at the bottom of each stairwell which may
also be funded at the end of this year.
Selectman Cook made the motion if money is available at year end after the flooring in the
stairwells is repaired; encumber funds needed to replace the rug in the
lower meeting room which is to be replaced as soon as possible in 2008. Selectman
Eigabroadt seconded the motion. All
were in favor. The motion
passed. Conservation Commission – Ms. Buono learned that a member
of the Conservation Commission contacted the State with regard to a
company that will be logging on Judith Rogers said her office discovered
that DES was not sending notifications properly; when DES cc’s at the
bottom of her copy they would cc Conservation Commission and the
Conservation Commission was not getting its copy.
Ms. Buono said that’s how DES does it; they send one envelope
and it’s up to the office that receives the notification to do the
distribution. Ms. Buono clarified that it was DREAD that
was contacted not DES. 6. MEETING MINUTES Selectman Cook made the motion to approve meeting minutes dated October 2 nonpublic, October 16
work session and October 16 meeting minutes.
Selectman Eigabroadt seconded the motion.
All were in favor. The motion passed. 7. GENERAL BUSINESS Selectman Eigabroadt informed the Board
that on November 6th at 9:00 a.m. the State Veterinarian is
meeting at the Police Station. Chairman Hartman said there is a Transfer
Station Facility Committee Meeting on November 6th and he
will be attending the annual LGC conference on November 7th. Motion to adjourn 8:58 p.m. Board of Selectmen David E. Hartman – Chairman
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